{"id":3095,"date":"2021-04-19T09:00:00","date_gmt":"2021-04-19T07:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/eldar.cz\/tompatrick\/?p=3095"},"modified":"2021-04-02T16:24:07","modified_gmt":"2021-04-02T14:24:07","slug":"rozhovor-toma-patricka-s-autorem-dane-basnicke-sbirky-holubice-a-vojak-hrad","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/eldar.cz\/tompatrick\/martin-jabkenic-sbirka-nasni-zaverecny-epilog\/rozhovor-toma-patricka-s-autorem-dane-basnicke-sbirky-holubice-a-vojak-hrad","title":{"rendered":"Rozhovor Toma Patricka s autorem dan\u00e9 b\u00e1snick\u00e9 sb\u00edrky &#8211; Holubice a voj\u00e1k &#8211; Hrad"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"fcbkbttn_buttons_block\" id=\"fcbkbttn_left\"><div class=\"fcbkbttn_button\">\n                            <a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/tom.patrick.509\" target=\"_blank\">\n                                <img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/eldar.cz\/tompatrick\/wp-content\/plugins\/facebook-button-plugin\/images\/large-facebook-ico.png\" alt=\"Fb-Button\" \/>\n                            <\/a>\n                        <\/div><div class=\"fcbkbttn_like fcbkbttn_large_button\"><fb:like href=\"https:\/\/eldar.cz\/tompatrick\/martin-jabkenic-sbirka-nasni-zaverecny-epilog\/rozhovor-toma-patricka-s-autorem-dane-basnicke-sbirky-holubice-a-vojak-hrad\" action=\"like\" colorscheme=\"light\" layout=\"standard\"  width=\"225px\" size=\"large\"><\/fb:like><\/div><div class=\"fb-share-button fcbkbttn_large_button \" data-href=\"https:\/\/eldar.cz\/tompatrick\/martin-jabkenic-sbirka-nasni-zaverecny-epilog\/rozhovor-toma-patricka-s-autorem-dane-basnicke-sbirky-holubice-a-vojak-hrad\" data-type=\"button_count\" data-size=\"large\"><\/div><\/div><p><b>Holubice a voj\u00e1k<\/b><\/p>\n<p>*\u201eA\u0165 u\u017e jsem v tomto \u017eivot\u011b jak\u00fd jsem, tak s\u00e1m tou\u017e\u00edm po \u0161\u0165astn\u00e9m \u017eivot\u011b \u2013 jak tady na Zemi, tak i v p\u0159\u00edpadn\u00e9m \u017eivot\u011b posmrtn\u00e9m. To u\u017e jsem p\u0159i na\u0161em hovoru ostatn\u011b nazna\u010dil t\u011bmi labut\u011bmi.\u201c<\/p>\n<p>*\u201eAno, a to sam\u00e9 se d\u00e1 \u0159\u00edci i o holubici, je\u017e, na rozd\u00edl od onoho voj\u00e1ka, ve v\u00e1lce neutrp\u011bla sebemen\u0161\u00ed \u0161r\u00e1m a nakonec do\u0161la a\u017e ke zv\u011bstov\u00e1n\u00ed m\u00edru ve sv\u011bt\u011b,\u201c p\u0159ipojuji.<\/p>\n<p>*\u201eV\u00edte, pr\u00e1v\u011b tohle je na tom v\u0161em zvl\u00e1\u0161tn\u00ed,\u201c pozastavuje se op\u011btovn\u011b nad danou problematikou Martin.<\/p>\n<p>*\u201ePro\u010d v\u00e1mi h\u00fdbe agrese v okam\u017eiku, kdy je mu\u010deno zv\u00ed\u0159e a nikoliv v\u00fdhradn\u011b v moment\u011b, kdy\u017e se to sam\u00e9 d\u011bje \u010dlov\u011bku, \u017ee? Ostatn\u011b, j\u00e1 to m\u00e1m hodn\u011b podobn\u011b a mysl\u00edm, \u017ee v tom oba rozhodn\u011b nejsme sami,\u201c podot\u00fdk\u00e1m, na\u010de\u017e se mi vybavuje n\u011bkdej\u0161\u00ed rozhovor s jist\u00fdm Markem, v n\u011bm\u017e jsme \u0159e\u0161ili to sam\u00e9 a to v r\u00e1mci na\u0161\u00ed spole\u010dn\u00e9 sch\u016fzky.<\/p>\n<p><b>Pro\u010d?<\/b><\/p>\n<p>*\u201eStejn\u011b tak nev\u00edm,\u201c bere si slovo tradi\u010dn\u011b hned Martin, \u201eco by se dalo pozitivn\u00edho vyt\u011b\u017eit z b\u00e1sn\u011b n\u00e1sledn\u00e9 \u2013 nevyj\u00edmaje dal\u0161\u00ed lidskou problematiku ohledn\u011b moci pen\u011bz a sklony k ovl\u00e1d\u00e1n\u00ed sv\u011bta jako takov\u00e9ho. Z toho v\u0161eho beztak rovn\u011b\u017e jde strach!\u201c<\/p>\n<p>*\u201eAno, je to v\u0161echno zvl\u00e1\u0161tn\u00ed,\u201c op\u011btovn\u011b nemohu jinak ne\u017e souhlasit se sv\u00fdm hostitelem. \u201eI j\u00e1 osobn\u011b na jednu stranu mus\u00edm p\u0159ipustit ty sam\u00e9 obavy co vy, na stranu druhou v\u0161ak rovn\u011b\u017e s\u00e1m nev\u00edm, jak v\u0161e p\u0159ev\u00e9st do re\u00e1lu tak, aby se lidstvo nav\u017edy vymanilo z vlastn\u00edch tyrani\u00ed a celkov\u00fdch utrpen\u00ed, jen\u017e \u017eivot p\u0159in\u00e1\u0161\u00ed. Tak\u00e9 bych r\u00e1d na v\u0161e dostal jasnou srozumitelnou odpov\u011b\u010f,\u201c pokou\u0161\u00edm se n\u011bjak rozumn\u011b uzav\u0159\u00edt aktu\u00e1ln\u00ed problematiku, le\u010d to nen\u00ed jen tak.<\/p>\n<p><b>Eli\u0161ka<\/b><\/p>\n<p>*\u201eNo a tehdy do m\u00e9ho \u017eivota vstoupila nov\u00e1 platonick\u00e1 l\u00e1ska \u2013 Eli\u0161ka \u2013 neboli d\u011bv\u010de, co von\u011blo po he\u0159m\u00e1nku. P\u0159irozen\u011b to bylo o n\u011bco pozd\u011bji, tud\u00ed\u017e po Marii, ten rozd\u00edl je takov\u00fdch deset, jeden\u00e1ct, t\u0159in\u00e1ct let? No, zkr\u00e1tka v ned\u00e1vn\u00e9 dek\u00e1d\u011b na\u0161eho druh\u00e9ho tis\u00edcilet\u00ed,\u201c up\u0159es\u0148uje a v duchu n\u00e1sledn\u011b p\u0159epo\u010d\u00edt\u00e1v\u00e1 Martin. Op\u011bt v obli\u010deji m\u00e1 p\u0159esn\u011b ten sam\u00fd zasn\u011bn\u00fd v\u00fdraz, jak tomu bylo v p\u0159\u00edpad\u011b Marie. \u201eByla to opravdu neoby\u010dejn\u011b p\u0159ekr\u00e1sn\u00e1 d\u00edvka. Pravda, vzhledov\u011b trochu jin\u00e1, ale \u0161arm j\u00ed rozhodn\u011b nechyb\u011bl.<\/p>\n<p>*\u201eA s tou jste u\u017e norm\u00e1ln\u00ed kontakt nav\u00e1zal?\u201c pokra\u010duji opatrn\u011b ve v\u00fdzv\u011bd\u00e1ch.<\/p>\n<p>*\u201eAno, s tou u\u017e ano. Bohu\u017eel m\u00e9 city odm\u00edtla op\u011btovat.\u201c P\u016fvodn\u00ed nat\u011b\u0161enost u Martina je z\u00e1hy ta tam. \u201eByla pom\u011brn\u011b i dost nerv\u00f3zn\u00ed, kdy\u017e jsem si ji jednoho dne vzal stranou a navrhl soukromou sch\u016fzku v kav\u00e1rn\u011b.\u201c Dal\u0161\u00ed tradi\u010dn\u00ed ji\u017e nep\u0159ekvapuj\u00edc\u00ed povzdech. \u201eTehdy jsem doch\u00e1zel do ozdravn\u00e9ho centra tady ve m\u011bst\u011b a ona tam d\u011blala terapeutku. Nakonec to nedopadlo.\u201c Martin pak pokr\u010d\u00ed rameny a sm\u00ed\u0159liv\u011b p\u0159ipust\u00ed: \u201eAle ono by to beztak nedopadlo, proto\u017ee vztah mezi zam\u011bstnancem a klientem by nemohl b\u00fdt v re\u00e1lu zkr\u00e1tka stejn\u011b mo\u017en\u00fd. Na\u0161t\u011bst\u00ed mi zanedlouho do \u017eivota vstoupila Jana a m\u016fj \u017eivot t\u00edm obohatila.<\/p>\n<p>*Op\u011bt se nesna\u017e\u00edm vyzv\u00eddat podrobnosti ohledn\u011b toho, co o tom Martinova sou\u010dasn\u00e1 skute\u010dn\u00e1 p\u0159\u00edtelkyn\u011b asi soudila, a taktn\u011b p\u0159ech\u00e1z\u00edm k b\u00e1sni, v n\u00ed\u017e pred\u00e1tor a jeho potenci\u00e1ln\u00ed ob\u011b\u0165 v sob\u011b na\u0161li netradi\u010dn\u00ed zal\u00edben\u00ed.<\/p>\n<p><b>Srnka a vlk<\/b><\/p>\n<p>*\u201eKdy\u017e nem\u016f\u017eete sv\u016fj objekt l\u00e1sky vlastnit p\u0159\u00edmo, p\u0159ich\u00e1z\u00ed na \u0159adu op\u011bt vnit\u0159n\u00ed p\u0159edstavy, v nich\u017e p\u016fvodn\u011b nedostupn\u00e9 dost\u00e1v\u00e1 svoji re\u00e1lnou podobu,\u201c uv\u00e1d\u00ed to Martin tak, jako by to m\u011bla b\u00fdt naprost\u00e1 samoz\u0159ejmost. A pak se rozpov\u00edd\u00e1: \u201eJednou n\u00e1m v centru Eli\u0161ka ukazovala sv\u00e9ho psa, kter\u00fd mi k n\u00ed sed\u011bl jen z \u010d\u00e1sti. Z hlediska plemene a v\u00fdrazu v jeho obli\u010deji a tak. V\u00edte, jak se n\u011bkdy \u0159\u00edk\u00e1, \u017ee si p\u00e1n a jeho zv\u00ed\u0159ec\u00ed mil\u00e1\u010dek jsou ob\u010das hodn\u011b podobn\u00ed.\u201c<\/p>\n<p>*\u201eAno, tomu rozum\u00edm.\u201c<\/p>\n<p>*\u201eNo a ani to Eli\u0161\u010dino hudebn\u00ed zam\u011b\u0159en\u00ed mi k n\u00ed p\u0159\u00edli\u0161 nepasovalo. A tak jsem si ji za\u010dal vybavovat dle vlastn\u00edch p\u0159edstav \u2013 jako jemnou, k\u0159ehce zranitelnou d\u00edvku, j\u00ed\u017e jsem, z hlediska zv\u00ed\u0159ec\u00ed \u0159\u00ed\u0161e, p\u0159isoudil post lan\u011b, nebo\u0165 tou by Eli\u0161ka bezpochyby byla, kdyby se m\u011bla narodit coby zv\u00ed\u0159\u00e1tko.\u201c<\/p>\n<p>*\u201eOp\u011bt rozum\u00edm a snad se i nem\u00fdl\u00edm v tom, kdy\u017e te\u010f \u0159eknu, \u017ee vy jste se etabloval do onoho vlka. A proto\u017ee jste Eli\u0161ku skute\u010dn\u011b miloval, stal jste se vlkem m\u00edrumilovn\u00fdm.\u201c<\/p>\n<p>*\u201eAno, sv\u00fdm zp\u016fsobem m\u00e1te pravdu.\u201c<\/p>\n<p>*Martina, dle nyn\u011bj\u0161\u00edho \u00fasm\u011bvu, zjevn\u011b st\u00e1le t\u011b\u0161\u00ed, kdy\u017e moje mali\u010dkost nen\u00ed v\u016f\u010di jeho v\u00fdkladu pasivn\u00ed a dok\u00e1\u017ee spr\u00e1vn\u011b pochopit jeho nab\u00edzen\u00fd v\u00fdklad. O to l\u00e9pe se pak s n\u00edm hovo\u0159\u00ed.<\/p>\n<p><b>Proklet\u00e9 jm\u011bn\u00ed<\/b><\/p>\n<p>*\u201eLe\u010d ob\u010das onen vlk p\u0159ece jen vytasil sv\u00e9 tes\u00e1ky a srnku poranil, stejn\u011b jako Will Terner a jeho jm\u011bn\u00ed rozd\u00e1valo bolest t\u011bm, kdo\u017e znehodnotili mu\u017e\u016fv odkaz a t\u00edm si od n\u011bj vykoledovali krut\u00e9 tresty. To t\u011bmi proklet\u00fdmi lupi\u010di, koronery a Svat\u00fdmi sekt\u00e1\u0159i pak byli ti, co si dovolili moji Eli\u0161ku vlastnit coby jej\u00ed n\u00e1padn\u00edci.\u201c<\/p>\n<p>*\u201eA vy pak t\u00edm Willem Ternerem osobn\u011b,\u201c dod\u00e1v\u00e1m, aby vize byla dovedena do \u00fasp\u011b\u0161n\u00e9ho konce.<\/p>\n<p>*Po m\u00e9m v\u00fdkladu se v\u0161ak j\u00e1 i Martin za\u010d\u00edn\u00e1me zase krotit. Oba si uv\u011bdomujeme, \u017ee nem\u00e1 cenu ho\u0159ekovat nad n\u011b\u010d\u00edm, co stejn\u011b nedok\u00e1\u017eeme ovlivnit. Martin nav\u00edc z\u00e1hy poznamen\u00e1: \u201eVlastn\u011b, kdy\u017e se to tak vezme, nikdy jsem partnera Eli\u0161ky na vlastn\u00ed o\u010di nespat\u0159il. Mo\u017en\u00e1 snad pouze jednou!\u201c<\/p>\n<p><b>Pr\u016fvod<\/b><\/p>\n<p>*I t\u00edm si v\u0161ak Martin nen\u00ed stoprocentn\u011b jist\u00fd. To takhle jednou \u0161el, coby je\u0161t\u011b nezadan\u00fd, sv\u00fdm rodn\u00fdm Polansk\u00fdm Chv\u00e1rem a p\u0159ed sebou spat\u0159il p\u00e1r, kde mu pr\u00e1v\u011b ono dlouhovlas\u00e9 rusovlas\u00e9 d\u011bv\u010de a\u017e n\u00e1padn\u011b p\u0159ipom\u00ednalo jeho m\u00fazu terapeutku. D\u011bv\u010de v\u0161ak Martina v\u016fbec neoslovilo, ba si ho mo\u017en\u00e1 ani nepov\u0161imlo, a takt\u00e9\u017e Martin okolo doty\u010dn\u00e9 pro\u0161el \u201ejen tak\u201c, nebo\u0165, jak p\u0159iznal, byl v tu chv\u00edli na v\u00e1\u017ek\u00e1ch.<\/p>\n<p>*\u201eByla to zkr\u00e1tka jedna z t\u011bch mnoha rusovlas\u00fdch d\u00edvek, co ten den proch\u00e1zely zdej\u0161\u00edm n\u00e1m\u011bst\u00edm, stejn\u011b jak tomu bylo v pr\u016fvodu, kde mal\u00ed\u0159 narazil na stejn\u011b p\u016fvabn\u00e9 stvo\u0159en\u00ed.\u201c Martin se, jak bylo jeho zaveden\u00fdm zvykem, neopomenul p\u0159i tom zasn\u00edt a hned nato si povzdechnout.<\/p>\n<p>*\u201eV tom pr\u016fvodu ov\u0161em, na rozd\u00edl od va\u0161\u00ed re\u00e1ln\u00e9 skute\u010dnosti, mal\u00ed\u0159 postupn\u011b dos\u00e1hl sv\u00e9ho a Eli\u0161ka se na \u010das stala jeho partnerkou,\u201c podot\u00fdk\u00e1m jedno d\u016fle\u017eit\u00e9 podstatn\u00e9 a je\u0161t\u011b k tomu p\u0159ipojuji: \u201eNav\u00edc spole\u010dn\u011b zam\u00ed\u0159ili za kulturou, aby se oba l\u00e9pe poznali.\u201c<\/p>\n<p><b>Hrad<\/b><\/p>\n<p>*\u201eAno, v\u00edm, vypravili se oba na hrad a pot\u00e9 absolvovali toulky po okol\u00ed,\u201c dopl\u0148uje nem\u00e9n\u011b podstatn\u00e9 i Martin. \u201eNezb\u00fdv\u00e1 tedy ne\u017e jim z\u00e1vid\u011bt.\u201c<\/p>\n<p>*\u201eA vy s\u00e1m jste tehdy neuva\u017eoval o n\u00e1v\u0161t\u011bv\u011b&#8230; t\u0159eba pr\u00e1v\u011b toho hradu? T\u0159eba byste t\u00edm p\u0159i\u0161el na jin\u00e9 my\u0161lenky a na chv\u00edli tak na krut\u00fd, nehostinn\u00fd osud pozapomn\u011bl?\u201c napad\u00e1 m\u011b jedno ze sp\u00e1sn\u00fdch \u0159e\u0161en\u00ed. Martin v\u0161ak t\u00e9m\u011b\u0159 sou\u010dasn\u011b s moj\u00ed ot\u00e1zkou nesmlouvav\u011b zakrout\u00ed hlavou.<\/p>\n<p>*\u201eV\u00edte, j\u00e1 na tyhle hradn\u00ed toulky nikdy moc nebyl. V minulosti jsem s rodi\u010di pr\u00fd n\u011bkolik v\u00fdlet\u016f absolvoval, bylo to v\u0161ak sp\u00ed\u0161e v rann\u00e9m d\u011btstv\u00ed a u\u017e si na to p\u0159\u00edli\u0161 nepamatuji.\u201c<\/p>\n<p>*\u201eAle v b\u00e1sni o tom jinak moc p\u011bkn\u011b hovo\u0159\u00edte. Dokonce projevujete jist\u00e9 sympatie v\u016f\u010di kastel\u00e1n\u016fm, panovn\u00edk\u016fm, samotn\u00e9 historii, m\u00edstn\u00ed \u010di zahrani\u010dn\u00ed turisty nevyj\u00edmaj\u00edce.<\/p>\n<p>*\u201eAno, j\u00e1 v\u00edm, prost\u011b jsem se t\u011bch v\u0161ech necht\u011bl nijak dotknout,\u201c zazn\u00ed z Martinov\u00fdch \u00fast dal\u0161\u00ed z jeho origin\u00e1ln\u00edch odpov\u011bd\u00ed.\u201c<\/p>\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n<div class=\"fcbkbttn_buttons_block\" id=\"fcbkbttn_left\"><div class=\"fcbkbttn_button\">\n                            <a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/tom.patrick.509\" target=\"_blank\">\n                                <img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/eldar.cz\/tompatrick\/wp-content\/plugins\/facebook-button-plugin\/images\/large-facebook-ico.png\" alt=\"Fb-Button\" \/>\n                            <\/a>\n                        <\/div><div class=\"fcbkbttn_like fcbkbttn_large_button\"><fb:like href=\"https:\/\/eldar.cz\/tompatrick\/martin-jabkenic-sbirka-nasni-zaverecny-epilog\/rozhovor-toma-patricka-s-autorem-dane-basnicke-sbirky-holubice-a-vojak-hrad\" action=\"like\" colorscheme=\"light\" layout=\"standard\"  width=\"225px\" size=\"large\"><\/fb:like><\/div><div class=\"fb-share-button fcbkbttn_large_button \" data-href=\"https:\/\/eldar.cz\/tompatrick\/martin-jabkenic-sbirka-nasni-zaverecny-epilog\/rozhovor-toma-patricka-s-autorem-dane-basnicke-sbirky-holubice-a-vojak-hrad\" data-type=\"button_count\" data-size=\"large\"><\/div><\/div>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Holubice a voj\u00e1k *\u201eA\u0165 u\u017e jsem v tomto \u017eivot\u011b jak\u00fd jsem, tak s\u00e1m tou\u017e\u00edm po \u0161\u0165astn\u00e9m \u017eivot\u011b \u2013 jak tady na Zemi, tak i v p\u0159\u00edpadn\u00e9m \u017eivot\u011b posmrtn\u00e9m. 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